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Do gay marriage bans violate the Constitution’s equal protection clause?

When the California Supreme Court ruled in 2008 that same-sex marriage was permitted under the state constitution, voters spoke out.

Campaigns were waged, rallies were held, and Proposition 8 – a voter referendum amending the state Constitution, declaring that “only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California” – was passed by 52 percent of voters.

Now a federal judge says that Prop 8 is unconstitutional. In early August, U.S. District Chief Judge Vaughn R. Walker ruled that gay and lesbian couples have a right to marry under the U.S. Constitution. In his ruling in Perry v. Schwarzenegger, Walker said the state’s marriage law “both unconstitutionally burdens the exercise of the fundamental right to marry and creates an irrational classification on the basis of sexual orientation.” The decision is expected to be appealed in what is shaping up to be a lengthy legal battle, possibly culminating at the Supreme Court.

Defense of marriage or violation of rights?

The gay marriage movement has steadily built momentum since 2000, when Vermont became the first state to legalize same-sex civil unions – legally recognized domestic partnerships given many of the benefits of marriage without actually being called marriage. Since then, four other states and the District of Columbia have passed laws allowing same-sex couples the right to obtain marriage licenses. In 2009, Vermont modified its civil unions law to allow for same-sex marriage as well.

Support is growing, but the public is still largely resistant to allowing same-sex couples the right to marry. Bans were approved by 52 percent of voters in California and 53 percent of Maine voters; Pennsylvania’s House of Representatives passed a gay marriage ban by a 136-61 vote, but the companion bill still lingers in the state Senate.

Many opponents of same-sex unions, including the group Protect Marriage, argue that marriage “is an essential institution of society,” and should be defended. Supporters of Prop 8, for instance, said homosexual couples should not redefine marriage for heterosexual couples; they worried that children raised by same-sex couples would not fare as well as children raised by a father and a mother; they feared that public schools would teach about gay marriage in a positive light.

Supporters of same-sex unions agree that marriage is fundamental to society. That’s why they believe it should be extended to include all couples, straight or gay. They believe that denying same-sex couples the right to marry – or outright banning gay marriage– violates the 14th discriminates against homosexual couples , they argue.

Walker agreed. In his ruling on Aug. 4, he wrote that the ban “fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license.”

“Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite-sex couples are superior to same-sex couples,” he wrote.

The decision is expected to be appealed to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

What do you think?

Did Judge Walker rule correctly in overturning Proposition 8? Does a ban on same-sex marriage violate the equal protection clause of the Constitution? Imagine you are a judge on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. How would you rule?
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2/26/2012
Fort Atkinson
Tina
Fort Atkinson high school
YES... he did the right thing. People are pathetic. We were against slavery as a whole and judging them but yet we are repeating our same mistakes as we did back then. This is AMERICA and we are equal. we are to have the same rights. SO how does it effect you if another couple in love gets married? it doesnt. What is the world coming to these days. I am not gay but i think all people are the same. Stop this war! it is against the constitution and people need to stop being bias and open there eyes. I would and do stand with Walker's choice

10/19/2011
Sidney/MT
Katey
Fontana/Sidney
No.

10/19/2011
Sidney, MT
Sam Wick
Ms. Fontana/Sidney HIgh School
I believe that Judge Walker did the right thing with getting rid of Proposition 8 because in my opinion same sex marriages are the same as a man and a woman being married. Just because they are in Love with another man or a woman is in Love with another woman doesn't mean they can't get what they deserve and that is the recongnition that they are Married. Saying that children wouldn't grow as well as a child with a mother and father is just a pitiful excuse. The opposers, I feel, are looking for any gateway that will help them win their case which is completely unfair. Worry about your own children and maybe the children who have no home life because their mother brings home a guy almost every night, or their parents fight like no other, or they are into heavy drugs. Target those people before targetting how a gay couple will raise their child if they are so worried about the children. I would rule that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional because if blind people would open their eyes and actually read it they would find that it is very unconstitutional.

10/7/2011
Sidney MT
Tyler
Mr. Faulhaber
I believe that gay marriage bans violate the Constitution's equal protection clause. Heterosexual couples recieve over one thousand rights that unmarried couples do not, including healthcare and other important advantages. Homosexuals should be able to make medical decisions for their partners in an emergency. Same sex couples are not asking for special rights, just equal rights as heterosexual couples.

10/7/2011
Sidney Montana
Tyler
Mr. Faulhaber/Sidney High School
The Equal Protection Clause does not say specifically the marriage should be between a man and a woman. I say that if two men love each other, or if two women love each other, the law can not stop them from feeling that way. Any attempt by the government of this nation to tell a person that they cannot be married to another individual of the same sex should be ruled unconstitutional.

10/14/2010

Heaven
SHS, Sidney/MT
They do. But that's irrelevant. Marriage involves a priest and is thusly a religious act, and if religion doesn't want us to be married than we shouldn't be able to say, "Hey man, not cool. Change the Bible so I can be happy." Speaking as someone who recently found a religion, I've realized that religion was built on historical belief, not moral belief, and you can't change some rule made in the past just because you don't like it. Religion is not an ever-changing idea like democracy--it is what it was what it is what it will be forever.

9/30/2010

Megan
Sidney High School, Sidney, MT
I believe that same-sex couples should have to right to get married. They aren't hurting anyone. The divorce rate in this country has been getting higher and higher, and if two people are in love and they want to stay together for the rest of their lives, then we shouldn't stop them. Same-sex couples may be able to help lower our divorce rates because they are in love and fighting for their right of marriage brings them closer.

9/7/2010

Sarah
BCMHS, Vacaville, Ca
It was entirely unjust and wrong to overturn Prop 8. This proposition was meant to give the people of the state a choice to make marriage law for only a man and a woman. Since this is the meaning of marriage, allowing homosexual people the right to marry would be a violation. This has NOTHING to do with protecting the rights of homosexuals at all. Marriage is something sacred, holy, and moral that shouldn’t be changed all of a sudden. It has been in place for an extremely long time, way before Christ was born. I think it was right to present the people with this proposition, but the whole point of it was to be implemented, whichever way the vote weighed.

8/30/2010

MaRyiah
Marmaton Valley, Kansas
the constitution was meant to give EVERYBODY their rights and to protect them. not to pick and choose who gets what rights because of their sexuality.

8/20/2010

Cindy
Buckingham , California
Prop 8 is a violation to some people's rights. Eveyone should be free to marry whom ever they want to marry Some people(parents) are really picky and do not allow their children to hang around a person who is what we call gay. Being gay is not a diseas so i belive hanginng out with a gay person or being one is normal. A person can make of their life what they want and if that includes being gay. Then it's okay. A person should be able to do whatever makes them happy.Prop 8 is unfair and violates the constitution's equal protection clause.

8/20/2010

Chris
Buckingham Charter Magnet High School, CA
I believe that this overturning of Prop. 8 is wrong. The people voted for this proposition was to pass. Yes, we have the right to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness, but obviously people were legitemately unhappy about this. Thus the formation of Proposition 8.

8/20/2010

Hanna
BCMHS, Vacaville, CA
I believe that gay marriage bans violate the Constitution's equal protection clause. Heterosexual couples recieve over one thousand rights that unmarried couples do not, including healthcare and other important advantages. Homosexuals should be able to make medical decisions for their partners in an emergency. Same sex couples are not asking for special rights, just equal rights as heterosexual couples.

8/20/2010

lorenzo
buckingham, vacaville
constitutionally it seems that the 14th ammendmant is being violated by not protecting the rights of homosexual marriage. personally when putting myself in their shoes i can understand why they would speak out against the ban

8/20/2010

Alyssa
BCMHS, Vacaville, CA
WIth my morals, I do not think that Judge Walker ruled correctly in overturning Prop 8. I don't think that a ban on same-sex marriage violates the equal protection clause of the Constitution. If I was a judge on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals I would rule to keep Prop 8 banned. No one is saying that they can't be together, just that for them to get married is not right.

8/20/2010

Dave
BCMHS, Vacaville CA
I think that we need a new Constitution

8/20/2010

john
bcmhs, vacaville
For one no matter how you view this issue no judge should have the power to turn down the people's will. Secondly not only did the the decision rest on a liberal judge in San Fransico but that same judge was also a homosexual, thus to say that he judged based on what the constition says is absurbed. -THink about it- Everyone one is protected under the constition with no exception, but the constition also states that it is to serve the will of the people. So the question is what gives this one judge, who already has a bais on the law, the right to overturn the 52% majority who voted for prop 8. Furthermore, since this case is about constitionality then why are we going agianst the constitution to resolve it? After all we the people are the governments power, so why do they go against are wishes and what the majority demands? One lat thought, whether or not you believe in God or in evolution they share one thing in commom, and that is a bielf that things be natural, thus being homosexual is not in any way, shape, or form natural. This ideal goes agianst everthing mothernature is about and no matter how many surgeries you go through you will also be what you were at birth.

8/20/2010

Kenzi
BCMHS, CA
The only valid argument I have heard against same sex marriage is that marriage is a religious institution However, if that is the case, I shouldn't be allowed to get married either because I am not religious. Others say that if we could just make a new word for same sex marriage everybody would be happy. Are we supposed to make a new word for every different religious group, each with different rules and rights? That isn’t equal at all; that is segregating people. Banning marriage for any group is a violation of the equal protection clause. All other arguments against same sex marriage is purely based on the people’s feelings on homosexuality itself and have nothing to do with the law, the constitution, and what is truly fair. Of course a large majority of the public does not agree with homosexuality; they’re straight. The court is supposed to stay separate from the church and always be unbiased. Judge Walker was right to rule Prop 8 as unconstitutional.

8/20/2010

Remy
BCMHS, Vacaville, CA.
I think everyone should be able to marry whom they want to, regardless of sexual orientation. When I try to talk to people who are against same-sex marriages, almost every one of them tells me it goes against the Bible. The excuse that gay people shouldn’t marry because it goes against Christian beliefs is a ludicrous explanation; if that were actually true, Atheists, Hindus, Jews, and other religions wouldn’t be able to have the delight in marriage. Whatever happened to the separation of church and state? Of course it violates the fourteenth amendment. We are setting back our country because we aren’t granting the complete rights to the people who need them most. It’s just the same as biracial couples not being able to get married because of their color or women not being able to vote because of their gender: We think it’s stupid and they should be able to do regular things, because they’re regular people, like anyone else. If a person is opposed to gay marriage, don’t get one and don’t attend one.

8/20/2010

Jordan
BCMHS, Vacaville, CA
While I understand the difficult task of judging whether or not gay marriage is constitutional, I believe the judge made the wrong decision in this instance. I know that many people believe Prop 8 is unconstitutional because heterosexuals are allowed to marry, so homosexuals should be as well. However, I don't believe it is acceptable to change what has been the definition of marriage for centuries, which is a union between one man and one woman.

8/20/2010

Cassie
Buckingham Charter Magnet High School, Vacaville, California
i agree with the over-ruiling, because gay marage should be allowed due to the constitutional fact that everyone has basic rights. The ban of gay marrage does violate the 14th Amendment, because thats when they rulled that everyone has rights, regardless of color, sex, ect. If they now are saying that gay marrage is not allowed, then thats a violation of the rights guarenteed in the 14th Amendment.

8/20/2010

Saschia
Buckingham, Vacaville, CA
The concept of marriage is for two people to become one person and work in unity with each other. Technically, two people of the same gender can not physically become one in the way that we were created. They can work alongside each other and work in unity, but technically they were not created to become one physically. If two people of the same gender desire to be united, then I believed that they should receive a different type of document that states their unity rather than a marriage license. I have difficulty accepting the term marriage because of this. I'm not against gay or lesbians. I see them equal to anyone else in society. I just don't think that their union should be considered marriage because they can not fully carry out the definition.

8/20/2010

Danielle
BCMHS, Vacavillle CA.
The 14th ammendment says "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." The ban on gay marriage does violate this law until the fight gets to the supreme court because then the "due process of law" would have taken full circle. I think that judge Walker saying this proposition is unconstitutional doesn't matter because no matter what the decision is one side will try to appeal this decision.

8/20/2010

Aaron
BCMHS, Vacaville,CA
The jugde in my opinion did not rule correctly, it was choosen by the voters that proposition 8 passed. She might think it was unconstitutional, yet it had a fair vote and it was passed. It is true that every man is equal, yet i wouldnt want my children to learn that gay marrige is ok or liking someone of the same sex is ok. So technically you cant really say its fair yet you can have an opinion and many disagree with it. I agree with Prop 8, i dont think gay marrige should be legal.

8/20/2010

Carrissa
BCMHS, Vacaville, Ca
Yes, I beblieve Judge Walker ruled correctly in overturning popisition eight.I also believe that a ban on same sex marriage does violate the fourteenth amendment. The amendment states that "no state should make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law." In Plessy v Ferguson, the court upheld a Louisiana law that segregates railroad cars, reasoning that if the law provides equal accomodations it does not violate the fourteenth amendment. With this, banning homosexuals the right to marry does not follow equality to all citizens. Therefore, with the above said a ban on gay marriage does violate the fourteenth amendment.

8/20/2010

Jackson
BCMHS, Vacaville CA
Okay. So we have someone saying that homosexuals are not natural. Well okay, let’s think about what is natural. Can we say that natural is defined by if many other species do it? Because some 1,500+ species have been observed in homosexual behavior. Can we say that natural is what humans have been doing for a long time? Because homosexuals have been around since as far back as we know really. Can we say that natural is what is physiologically stimulating? Because.. let's just say that's been proven wrong too. Can we say that natural is being able to procreate? Because if that's the case, then that means if you aren't going to make a baby, it's unnatural and shouldn't be done. If we’re going to throw out all of those definitions of what is natural, then I am not sure what we have left? (Natural dictated by the practices of modern Mormons? Well that just seems problematic.)

8/20/2010

Jackson
BCMHS, Vacaville CA
"No one is saying that they can't be together, just that for them to get married is not right." you're right, no one is saying we can't be together, but that's not the point. we want to be together and have our state and country recognize that we are in fact together and have that state protect us and our spouse like any other couple. civil unions ARE NOT the same. they have 1000+ less rights shared by the two parties than a civil marriage. and many years ago, there was this one little decision, the separation of CHURCH and STATE for purposes exactly like this. they wanted to make sure the church to be unable to influence the state because this was a country for the free where people of any religion and creed can come and share in that freedom, safe from persecution. and no matter how you feel about marriage, it's a legal union, legal as in the state. we don't want to invade on your sacred "holy matrimony" we was a "legal marriage" that's all. you keep your priests and your pastors. we don't want them. also, on the subject of the "definition of marriage." it has not always been "one man, one woman." for thousands of years it was, "one man and as many wives as he wanted because he could do that." it's only been "one man and one woman" for under 2000 years. the bible used to endorse polygamy. your religion changed the definition of marriage. if you can do it, why can't i? if we're going to stick with the "original" definition of marriage, let's go back all the way.

8/20/2010

cid
Vanden High, Vacaville CA
and again with the "i don't want my children learning that 'it's okay to be gay'" let's rewind 70-ish years. people were saying "i don't want my children growing up thinking it's okay to be with a black person." it was the same principle. the same exact principle. now you want to say "yeah but that was wrong, this is different" no. sorry to break it to you but it is no different. people were being discriminated for WHO THEY WERE. and cue "but it's a choice to be gay" oh yes yes yes, i forgot, all those gays on christopher street in 1969 at the stonewall riots who were getting beaten and killed, and matthew shephard, the 21 year old boy who, on october 7th 1998, was taken out to the countryside near Laramie, Wyoming and savagely beaten and tortured into a bloody coma, and tied to a fence for 18 hours, just for trying to get a ride home and revealing that he was gay, and he died five days later because his injuries were too severe to operate on, him and everyone at stonewall chose to be gay, they chose to get beaten, they chose to die. and because of the hate that spawns from your words, gay people still are beaten and die every year. whether they get hazed by some random stranger or class mate, or whether because of all the hate directed towards them, they are so psychologically damaged, that they have no other way out than to kill themselves. you think about that the next time you want to take rights away from a gay person. i hold each and every person who stand against gay rights responsible for every death, suicide or murder, of a gay person due to hate and homophobia. because your "innocent" ideals and "morals" undeniably will spawn hate. I used to be christian, and i know that jesus preached love, and nothing else. think about that.

8/12/2010

Cid
bcmhs, CA
Gay marriages should be accepted

8/12/2010

Jackson
BCMHS, Vacaville, CA
A ban on gay marriage is a violation of the equal protection under the law clause. Every American citizen is protected and has the same rights as every other American citizen under the law. Sexual orientation is no exception.

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